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And just scrunch your toes.

And that's pretty hard for you to do, isn't it?

Well, that's not bad. It was the spread and everything.

Okay, and can you spread your toes?

Okay, so that is okay. That's hard?

It just feels weird.

Okay, and wiggle your toes.

And does it hurt to do any of that?

Nope.

To spread, scrunch, wiggle, none of that.

It just feels weird.

Okay. Sorry about that.

Happy toes.

It's weird.

Okay, and then cross them at the ankles.

And how often a day do you go barefoot or without shoes?

A lot.

Okay, just around the house?

Yeah.

Okay, and then what about other than the house?

Just going to have you kind of...

Yeah, I have to have them on, but I'm bad.

I wear flip-flops a lot, so when I'm working,

I notice I kick them off a lot when I'm working.

And you're not really wearing flip-flops today, though.

Go ahead and cross them.

Or would those be considered flip-flops?

I consider those flip-flops.

Just kind of turn your... there we go.

I take it you don't sit like this around the house much or anything like that.

Yeah, I do cross my legs a lot.

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